Pubdate: Fri, 14 Nov 2003
Source: New York Times (NY)
Copyright: 2003 The New York Times Company
Contact:  http://www.nytimes.com/
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Author: Clifford Krauss

CHRETIEN LEAVES AT EASE, EVEN IF BUSH IS DISPLEASED

OTTAWA -- The departing prime minister, Jean Chretien, defended keeping 
Canadian troops out of Iraq, pushing for gay marriage and liberalizing drug 
laws in an interview this week that made clear his lasting differences with 
the Bush administration.

"I don't think a kid of 17 years old who has a joint should have a criminal 
record," he said flatly on Monday in the broad-ranging interview in his 
elegant official residence as he prepared to retire after 10 years in office.

While careful not to gloat about his decision not to send Canadian troops 
to Iraq, Mr. Chretien, who is 69, was not apologetic either. "Of course he 
was not happy," he said, recalling President Bush's obvious displeasure. "I 
did not expect him to send me flowers."

Democracy would "take time to penetrate in the spirit of the people" in 
Iraq, he said. In the meantime, he advised giving a larger role to the 
United Nations, similar to that in Afghanistan, where Canada has 2,000 troops.

Mr. Chretien insisted that "relations are not bad at all" with the United 
States, and he still keeps a photograph of himself and President Bush in 
the foyer of his residence on the Ottawa River. But his positions left him 
clearly at odds with Washington on issues defining the core values of the 
two nations, ranging from Iraq and his support for the Kyoto climate 
treaty, to his proposed bills to expand marriage rights and decriminalize 
small amounts of marijuana.

Such stances may well mark Mr. Chretien in history as a social activist and 
a leader who helped define the Canadian character as separate from that of 
its powerful southern neighbor, a place that even he seemed surprised to 
inhabit.

"If you told me I would do that, I would not have believed you," he said of 
his decision on gay marriage, which he arrived at after two provincial 
courts ruled that the federal definition of marriage as union between a man 
and a woman was discriminatory. "I'm a practicing Roman Catholic."

At the same time, Mr. Chretien seemed comfortable with Canada's social 
liberalism. His government has authorized the opening of a supervised 
heroin injection clinic in Vancouver and the distribution of methadone and 
heroin in Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver to hard-core drug users beginning 
in January in an effort at curbing overdoses, crime and the spread of AIDS.

"I'm happy we are experimenting," he said. "I'd like to find out if there 
is not a better way than to fill the jails with people involved with drugs. 
It's not solving the problem."

In his time in office, Mr. Chretien brought a near bankrupt federal 
government back to solvency, doubled the size of the national park system, 
reformed campaign financing and championed increased international aid to 
Africa.

When he kept the army out of Iraq, he broke historical precedent by 
becoming the first Canadian leader to refuse to send troops to a war being 
fought by this country's two closest traditional allies, the United States 
and Britain.

The decision has been popular, even with Mr. Chretien's successor and 
political nemesis, former Finance Minister Paul Martin, who takes over 
leadership of the Liberal Party on Friday.

But it is Mr. Chretien's decisions on social issues that may define his 
tenure, and Canada's future. Mr. Martin said he, too, would support the 
marijuana reform with amendments to raise monetary penalties, and agree to 
follow court rulings to legalize same-sex marriage that have made Canada 
only the third country behind the Netherlands and Belgium to do so.

As the eighth of nine surviving children in a working-class Quebecois rural 
family, Jean Chretien grew up with facial paralysis, a form of dyslexia and 
partial deafness.

So determined was he to get his way, he once pretended to have appendicitis 
just to get out of a boarding school he loathed, taking his mock pain all 
the way to the operating table.

 From a youth of brawling, Mr. Chretien graduated from law school and then 
began a 40-year career in the House of Commons at the age of 29 barely 
speaking a word of English. His English is still halting (he is not 
eloquent in French either), but his folksiness has given him a reservoir of 
popularity through a series of scandals and a nearly disastrous defeat in 
1995 when Quebec almost voted to separate from Canada.

"A few votes the other way and he may have gone down in history as one of 
the worst prime ministers," said Lawrence Martin, his biographer. Mr. 
Martin concluded that while Mr. Chretien never had a commanding vision for 
Canada, "he was a triumph of instincts."

Mr. Chretien long governed in the shadow of the two modern Liberal giants, 
Lester Pearson and Pierre Trudeau, and only 18 months ago his government 
appeared to be sputtering badly. Several senior aides were forced to resign 
in scandal. Mr. Martin's plotting to take over the Liberal Party led to a 
nasty break between the two, and a near open rebellion in the Liberal 
parliamentary ranks.

Ever the stubborn street fighter, Mr. Chretien counterattacked with bold 
moves that left his opponents dazzled, including successfully pushing for 
ratification of the Kyoto climate control accord and increasing outlays on 
social programs.

He says he will now go back to work as a lawyer, and just maybe learn to 
cook a few more dishes than spaghetti. He will certainly play a lot of golf 
as well, although he says he avoids playing with millionaires who talk 
about their wives' $15,000 dresses. "That bores me," he said with a giggle.

Mr. Chretien winced when reminded that a Canadian bishop suggested he was 
risking the fires of hell by deciding not to appeal an Ontario court 
decision extending marriage rights to gays and lesbians.

"God and I will decide that," he said with a guffaw. Then quickly 
correcting himself to appear a tad more modest, he added, "We'll discuss 
and he will decide."
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