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Maptalk-Digest Thursday, December 26 2002 Volume 02 : Number 464

001 Re: MAP: Re: 'so you say you want a big donation'
    From: Mark Greer <>
002 MAP editors 2002 stories of the year
    From: "Tom Angell" <>
003 A Marijuana Party for your State?
    From: "Chuck Beyer" <>
004 Mark Stepnoski on Cultural Baggage radio Friday
    From: Richard Lake <>
005 Re: MAP: Paul McCartney
    From: Herb <>


Subj: 001 Re: MAP: Re: 'so you say you want a big donation'
From: Mark Greer <>
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:40:55 -0800


If you write it I'll get it edited. In fact we have all kinds of direct mail material already prepared from one page flyers to a full blown "generic grant proposal. If you gather contact info, and mail whatever to whoever,  I'll certainly reimburse postage. If you get a phone number where we can follow up I'll see to it a follow up call is made. I can't promise I'll be all that involved (see my previous explanations) but I would have been out of here years ago (and probably been institutionalized :~) if I wasn't able to delegate to those who can get the job done. 

In fact if you or anyone actually hit a homer and generated any results I'm sure I'd try to find a legal way to compensate you in the form of some kind of a "finders fee" or some such. Kick backs, as such, are questionable from a legal perspective for a non profit fund raiser but there are many ways to skin a cat. 

At 12:54 PM 12/24/2002 -0500, Tom Angell wrote:
>What if I or someone like myself spends the time writing the letter and
>finding out the contact info.  Do you think the ED's would at least take a
>few seconds to read it over, put their signature on the bottom of it, and
>maybe pay 30 something cents for postage?  Maybe following it up with a
>phone call would be good too.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mark Greer" <>
>To: "Tom Angell" <>; <>
>Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 11:04 AM
>Subject: Re: MAP: Re: "so you say you want a big donation"
>> While I appreciate the enthusiasm and ideas the very last thing most
>reform leaders need are ideas of how they should spend their time. Most are
>utterly overwhelmed. I have been for more than 7 years. It's a constant
>struggle and balancing act to decide whether to engage in fundraising
>activity or in efforts to promote reform ideals or pay the bills and do the
>bookkeeping get the picture.

Mark Greer
Executive Director

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Subj: 002 MAP editors 2002 stories of the year
From: "Tom Angell" <>
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 14:40:45 -0800

Us MAPinc editors recently each picked one story that struck us the most from the year 2002.  Here's what we came up with:

- --Tom
Police Suspended Over Claims Of Lewd Behaviour At Drug Charity Ball
US NY: Noise Surrounds His Death , posted Tue, 23 Apr 2002...
"Sheriff Lacks Compassion In Pot Case" 18 April 2002,
US NJ: Web: No Freedom of Speech for Ed 'NJweedman' Forchion
 - "Relax Your Muscles As Much As Possible", by Vin Suprynowicz
US NJ: PUB LTE: Video Documents The Necessity For Medical Marijuana
US FL: Locked Alone In X Wing
US NY: Column: The Old Bong Game

(Thanks to Jay Bergstrom for compiliing this!)
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Subj: 003 A Marijuana Party for your State?
From: "Chuck Beyer" <>
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 22:37:49 -0800

Just wanted to suggest the possibility to this list of starting a Marijuana
Party for your State. There are several chapters that have started
throughout the US. You can see them as well as instructions on how to form
your own at

By doing this you can upset the status quo.

If you are interested contact 

Chuck Beyer

(web master for several of the US MJ parties)


Subj: 004 Mark Stepnoski on Cultural Baggage radio Friday
From: Richard Lake <>
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 10:13:52 -0500

13 years in the NFL, 5 times a Pro Bowler, 2 times Superbowl champ, Mark 
Stepnoski is a prime example of excellence achieved through maximum effort.

Mark Stepnoski, now retired from football, has chosen to speak out against 
the outrageous marijuana laws of the U.S. as shown by these articles

Mark is now a member of the national NORML Advisory Board and serves as 
president of Texas National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws.

Tomorrow, Friday, 12/27, right in the middle of bowl and playoff season, at 
midnight till one a.m. (Central Time), Mark will be our featured guest on 
"Cultural Baggage, the Unvarinished Truth" radio program on KPFT, Houston, 
90.1 FM.

That's live and over the 'net from at 1 a.m. Saturday 
Eastern time, or 10 p.m. Friday, Pacific.

The show is rebroadcast on the Sirius radio network, channel 147 at at 
Saturday at 11.a.m. Eastern/ 8 a.m. Pacific.  The show repeats on Sirius on 
Monday evening at 9pm Eastern/6pm Pacific.

One minute promo piece:  Mark discusses the subject of marijuana online at

We also gather a question or two for our guest from the online chat at:, (please join in.)

You can listen to prior guests like Judge Gray, Kevin Zeese and more than a 
dozen others at:

The Christmas season 4:20 Drug War News reports are now up at:

If you would like to call in to ask Mark a question, the number is 

Contact: Dean Becker at 


Subj: 005 Re: MAP: Paul McCartney
From: Herb <>
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 08:35:59 -0800

At 06:40 AM 12/24/2002 -0500, kim hanna wrote:
>Herb it sure is worth a try. I gave it a go once but
>try, try again, as they say.
>I heard that he wants his own coat of arms on the news.


Asking for a donation from Paul McCartney seems difficult.  Getting a 
donation would definitely be a long shot.  (Here's a comment from a 
CMAPer: "I wouldn't make too many assumptions about Sir Paul's current 
opinions regarding cannabis. His new wife did convince him to quit smoking 
it since she finds it abhorant. He's also a well known skin flint. I've 
heard stories of him throwing parties and having a cash bar. Pretty damn 
cheap for a billionaire, in my opinion.")


Did you know that Paul McCartney was once an activist?

Back in the olden days of the Summer of Love there was a full-page 
advertisement in the Times (London) - Monday, July 24, 1967.

The title was:

the law against marijuana is immoral in principle and unworkable in practise

Among those who signed it were all of the Beatles.

The moving force behind the petition was the American psychologist Steve 
Abrams.  He says today:

"I went with my friend Miles to see Paul to discuss my plans for the 
advertisement.  Miles (of the Indica bookshop and the International Times) 
had the freedom to come and go with Paul.  Paul was easy to talk to, like 
someone you've known for a long time.  His position was perfectly 
responsible.  He knew the power of the Beatles, the power of their making 
or not making endorsements.  Though they didn't particularly want the 
publicity, he was willing to guarantee the cost of the advertisement.  In 
the end it proved impossible to keep his financial involvement a secret."

         - from it was TWENTY YEARS ago today by Derek Taylor (1987)

It may be that Paul is losing his way these days.  Here are two recent news 
items about Paul:

                                                         Sir Paul stoops to 
coat of arms

It just doesn't suit Liverpool pop star.


The Gazette

Tuesday, December 24, 2002

Paul McCartney's coat of arms shows a bird clutching a guitar.

All you need is love (and, of course, a Latin motto): Paul McCartney - 
ummm, Sir Paul, I mean - now has his own coat of arms. What a creep he's 
turning into.

I mean, I like coats of arms. They're wonderful for the family of Sir 
Cholmondely Farnsworth-Bandicoot, 17th Earl of Chipping Sodbury, and people 
like that. They're great for ancient universities, towns founded by the 
Romans, and outfits like the Ancient and Honourable Guild of Cloth 
Founders, whatever they might be. But for a pop star from Liverpool?

Paul is having severe delusions of grandeur, I think. There was that 
business about putting his name before John Lennon's in credits, and now 
this. It turns out that he applied for the arms - anyone can do so, 
apparently, with only the fear of mockery deterring everyone from it - in 
1997, the same year he was knighted. His official arms, now approved, shows 
a bird called a liver (as in Liverpool) clutching a guitar - fine old 
heraldic symbol that is - with the motto Ecce Cor Meum, which means Behold 
My Heart. You might recall that he wrote an oratorio by that name, the 
pretentious twit.

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                                                                 Just let 
it be, Paul

Dec 20 2002

By Laura Davis And Jenny Watson Daily Post Staff

SIR Paul McCartney is in grave danger of alienating his fans in a row over 
his song credit, a Liverpool Beatles experts said last night.

The musician has been fighting with Yoko Ono over whether he has the right 
to put his name before John Lennon's in song credits.

Ono is threatening to sue him after he changed the traditional credit 
Lennon-McCartney to "by Paul McCartney and John Lennon" on his new live album.

Jean Catherall, of the Beatles fan magazine, Beatles Scene, said: "I think 
Sir Paul McCartney is in danger of alienating a large number of fans by 
appearing to care so much about a petty thing like this.

"People know that Hey Jude and Yesterday were written by him without this 

"He's in grave danger of making peo-ple remember him for this, rather than 
for his music and his personality."

She added: "Originally, Lennon always came first because it was a 
convention within music companies at that time to put names in alphabetical 

"After a while, the phrase Lennon, McCartney stuck and they kept it even 
when Harrison had collaborated and should have had precedence because of 
the 'H' in his name.

"I understand that it was never a written part of the contract but a spoken 

"Most real Beatles fans don't care about which order the names appear 
because they know who penned which song. And, as for the casual fans - I 
doubt they read the small print or care very much."

Popular music expert Spencer Lee agreed: "I think it's a bit ridiculous for 
McCartney to be doing this so late in the day.

"In fact, on their very first single, Love Me Do, the credit was 

"I think the record company must have persuaded them that it sounded better 
the other way around.

"I don't know what the legal validity is. It would be most interesting to 
see it tested in court." However, other Beatles fans said they would be 
happy for McCartney to have his name put first on the songs he wrote.

Jerry Goldman, director of the Beatles Story museum at the Albert Dock, 
said: "He is a great artist and John Lennon was a great artist.

"Great artists feel very proud of their work, so if he thinks it is 
important to have his name first then why not? It has always been 
Lennon-McCartney so why not have McCartney-Lennon on occasion? Yoko Ono has 
taken on the mantle of John Lennon and she carries the pride he felt in his 

Rod Davis, who played with John Lennon in The Quarrymen skiffle group, 
added: "I can understand why Paul feels that he should get proper credit 
for the songs he wrote. I suppose on balance he should take his name off 
songs that John wrote, so perhaps it would be better to leave well alone."

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Sounds like it's time to get back to where you once belonged, Paul!      :) could use his help and Drug Sense could 
help him.



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